You never called Eight Sleep a mattress company. Instead, you pioneered a new category of ‘sleep fitness’ by positioning it as a ‘sleep fitness brand.’ Tell me about the decision-making and strategy behind this.

ZATARAIN: We were not intentional about our positioning for the first five years of the company because we didn't even know what brand... See more

My opinion begins with a simple question: what is brand? To me, brand is a representation of you, your values, and what you think is important. Take that idea and sit on it, then ask yourself what Porsche stands for? What about Apple? Liquid Death? These companies are masters of brand, and they’re companies that inspire my thinking around it,... See more